Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Podobno boj± siê jej bogowie.[...]

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]W³a¶ciwie do Sigil ¿aden z nich nie ma dostêpu.[...]

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]Skoro jest tak potê¿na to ile ma poziomów itd.[...]

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]A te jej labirynty, czy to ciekawsza wersja uwiêzienia, czy co¶ wiêcej?

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ale przecie¿ je¶æ co¶ trzeba, czy istota uwiêziona w labiryncie staje siê nie¶miertelna i nie potrzebne jej jedzenie i picie?

merlin93 pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->A znamy jak±¶ historiê Pani Bólu? Jak powsta³a, sk±d siê wziê³a? Ciekawi mnie te¿ dlaczego bogowie siê jej obawiaj±? Ona te¿ jest bogini±?[...]

Hardhead na forum WotC pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Rip Van Wormer wrote this, and I like it a lot: <br /> <br />Mysteries that have been solved aren't fun anymore.  <br /> <br />Sigil is an impossible city, full of paradoxes and surreality. Wrapped in the center of its center is the greatest of its enigmas. Once that enigma has been explained, an important source of tension has been lost.  <br /> <br />So no one knows how powerful the Lady of Pain is. She's an enigma. Sometimes she'll seem to be mightier than the gods. Sometimes she'll seem feather-weak. Maybe she waxes and wanes, or maybe she's just capricious.  <br /> <br />Maybe she can kill a god. Maybe she is a god. Maybe she's a fiend. Maybe she's a bladeling. Maybe she's a human sorcerer. Maybe she's a dabus. Maybe she's the daughter of Io. Maybe she's the daughter of Poseidon. Maybe she's a small human girl with an overactive imagination. Maybe she's the Dungeon Master. Maybe she's Tiamat. Maybe she's the personification of Sigil. Maybe she's the personification of multiversal Pain. Probably, she's three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask.  <br /> <br />How powerful can three ratatosks be?  <br /> <br />Still, *something* killed Aoskar. You can visit his corpse. Aoskar used to live in Sigil, and the Lady didn't do anything about it for quite a while. Maybe he lived in Sigil before the Lady did. Maybe she was sleeping, and he woke her up.  <br /> <br />*Something* causes gods in Sigil to experience pain.  <br /> <br />The Lady could be the personification of *this* pain, or she could be its ultimate victim. Maybe she does nothing but float around, suffering. She suffers because she's a god, and gods in Sigil suffer. She suffers because she's the Multiverse itself, and the Multiverse suffers.  <br /> <br />Maybe she doesn't care. She's just an artifact, a construct. A tool. An icon. A pretty face.  <br /> <br />No one knows.  <br /> <br />But one of Poseidon's daughters is missing, and the nymphs and tritons who were supposed to be watching her wander Ossa endlessly with blades piercing their flesh, unable to die or enter Sigil because they're minor gods. They want their punishment to end, and they think Sigil might be a clue.  <br /> <br />In the Deep Ethereal the phirblas maintain a city populated by humanoid words that they've gathered from across the multiverse. They encourage trade.  <br /> <br />The ruins of Plague-Mort in the Abyss contain journals purportedly in the Lady's own writing. No one who's read them lives.  <br /> <br />In Gehenna there's a slanted plain where witnesses have reported seeing not one, but thousands of Ladies, all with identical bladed headdresses.  <br /> <br />The bladelings worship secret gods. Their tree-protector-goddess is known to some sages as the focus for bladeling druids. But their prophet-king isn't a druid, and he isn't female like the bladeling hierarchs. Who does he worship? Who grants him his clerical powers? An exile who claims to have once been an initiate in the deepest of bladeling mysteries claims that the highest god is the Unifier, the bladed goddess who once ruled all of Baator before mysteriously departing. It was in search for the Unifier that the bladeling ancestors originally departed the nine pits.  <br /> <br />And why do ratatosks wear bladed headdresses during their gate-crossing  <br />ceremonies?  <br /> <br />Little is known about the Lady of Pain, and she reveals little.  <br /> <br />We know this:  <br /> <br />She has the power to flay people alive with her shadow.  <br /> <br />She has the power to imprison people in ethereal mazes.  <br /> <br />She has the power to create and close portals in Sigil at will.  <br /> <br />The portals can penetrate the barrier of time.  <br /> <br />She commands the dabus.  <br /> <br />She will not tolerate war in her city. She will not tolerate being worshipped. She does not let gods in. She will act to prevent herself from being perceived as weak (this may be the rationale for the others).  <br /> <br />She has been around for many thousands of years.  <br /> <br />She is called the Lady of Pain.  <br /> <br />She's concerned with balance insofar as she won't tolerate open war and seems to accept all alignments equally, but her methods are extremely questionable, morally. She flays the skin off people's still-living bones. Why would she do that, if she isn't out-and-out evil? Is there some cosmic justification for the seeming sadism? And why did she create (as the Factol's Manifesto says she did) a deadly plague that only affects members of the Free League? Except to resist the total rule of the factions, that group never offered anyone any harm.  <br /> <br />And that's all we know. Wizards willing, that's all we'll ever know. The Lady of Pain doesn't act casually. She shouldn't be used a lot in a game.  <br /> <br />She's the most imprisoned person in the Cage. Her abilities might be incredibly curtailed. Can she leave the city? Probably not. Can she touch another person without killing them? Can she pick up a spoon? Can she calculate pi? Can she dream? Can she hope? Can she pull those knives out of her back?  <br /> <br />It's very possible that she can't do any of those things.  <br /> <br />She's not necessarily an uber-god. She's not necessarily even a quasi-deity. She has certain powers that she has used to destroy at least one god in the past, but that doesn't mean she matches up to the gods in other ways.  <br /> <br />In many ways, the Lady of Pain may be far weaker than ordinary mortals. <br />[...]

Fallen Deva pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Aoskar by³ bogiem portali i by³ w Sigil przed Pani±. <br />Co siê potem z nim sta³o???

merlin93 pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]Czyli nigdy nie kontaktowa³a siê z ¿adnym z bogów? Czy sam wielki Io siê jej boi? To naprawdê ciekawa sprawa i temat  :wink:  [...]

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Czyli mog³aby stworzyæ co¶ podobnego do tego co wykreowa³ Ao?

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Zabijaæ za pomoc± cieni? Bardzo mnie to zastanawia. Móg³by¶ sprecyzowaæ?. Przywo³uje potê¿ne cienie, czy te¿ powoduje usuniêcie ciep³a z cia³a poprzez pozbawinie ¶wiat³a? Jak wygl±da cia³o po takiej ¶mierci?

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Coz mile. Czy to dzia³a te¿ na bogów? S± jakie¶ rzuty obronne?

Niziolica pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin--> Ja siê ni± pos³ugujê tylko wtedy, gdy kto¶ zak³óca równowagê Sigil (ale bardzo rzadko, w innym wypadku moi gracze nie do¿yliby 2 poziomu )...

Niziolica pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hmm... Ja tam nie my¶lê, ¿e jest z³a... Mnie siê wydaje, ¿e jest PRAWDZIWIE neutralna. Nie mo¿e byæ okrutna, nie mo¿e mieæ z³ego lub dobrego serca z tego prostego powodu, ¿e miast serca ma 'pustkê "wype³nion±" bólem i ¿alem sfer', czy jako¶ tak... Ja siê ni± pos³ugujê tylko wtedy, gdy kto¶ zak³óca równowagê Sigil (ale bardzo rzadko, w innym wypadku moi gracze nie do¿yliby 2 poziomu )...

Fallen Deva pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Według Planescape Campiang setting jest ona Upadłym Lordem Tannar'ri

Fallen Deva pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wed³ug Planescape Campiang setting jest ona Upad³ym Lordem Tannar'ri

Giotopoulos pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin-->Uroda? Cóż to chyba masz troche inny gust niż ja. Szczerze powiedziawszy coś co ma zieloną skóre i ostrza dokoła głowy nie może być piękne. A tak poza tym ma chyba z 5 m wzrostu:) więc.......

Darklighter pisze:

<!--QuoteEBegin--> A czy Planesscape Campaign Setting podaje mo¿e sk±d ona ma tak wielk± moc. Przejê³a od jaki¶ bóstw? Mo¿e zdoby³a w jaki¶ inny sposób? Mo¿esz podaæ wiêcej informacji?

The  high-up man in Sigil, the one who ultimateli watches over the Cage ,is Lady of Pain.She's not a woman and she's not a human -nobody's quite sure what she is.The best guess is she's power,probably a greater  power ,but there are also theory that she's a reformed tannar'ri lord if such thing possible. <br />Whatever else she is , she's a Lady of Pain  and given that most other facts are extraneous. <br />For the most part Lady keeps distans from the squalid hurly-burly of the Cage.She doesnt have a house,palace,or temple.Nobody worship her ,and with good reason.Those are say prayers to her name get found of their skins flayed off-a big discouragement to others. <br />Somethimes she seen drifting throught the streets, the edge of her grown just brushing over the cobblestones.She never speaks.Those to try interfering with her erupt in horrid gashes at just touch of her gaze.Wise bloods find buisness elsewhere on those rare times she passed down the way .Eventually her image fades and she vanishes into nothingness.Native Sigil view her with fear awe,as she the uncaring protector of their home.

but there are also theory that she's a reformed tannar'ri lord if such thing possible.