Ast pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin-->Przejrzałem cały wątek i raczej nie zauważyłem tego pytania: czy podano jakieś oficjalne wyjaśnienie w związku z akcją, gdzie Obi Wan i Anakin w Zemście jednocześnie używają na sobie Force Strike'a? Przepraszam, jeśli info o tym gdzieś już się pojawiło, ale jestem tu nowy i nie za bardzo daję radę wszystkie te działy ogarnąć. Z góry dzięki za pomoc
Q: In Revenge of the Sith, there are two different times that we see what looks like some kind of opposed Force use, with the two combatants (Anakin vs. Obi-Wan and Palpatine vs. Yoda) clearly straining against one another before finally being flung apart. What's happening here? Is this some kind of new Force power?
A: Actually, it doesn't seem to be anything quite that exotic. In my opinion, it looks like a side effect of the d20 system's round structure, which really isn't set up very well for cases of simultaneous actions. On screen, I'd say that Anakin and Obi-Wan were each trying to use Move Object or possibly Force Push (see Jedi Counseling 60) on the other, and, given how much they were straining, I'd say they were also using Force Defense to boost their saving throws to resist. Visually, these actions occur simultaneously. In the d20 round structure, however, these actions would have been resolved sequentially. Keep in mind that actions aren't really occurring sequentially, at least not in every case. For example, if two characters are running in a race, the first one doesn't run 40 meters in three seconds and then stop, allowing the other to run 40 meters to catch up in the next three seconds. These two full-round actions would actually be occurring at the same time if you were to capture it on film.
With that in mind, here's one way to interpret the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan face off, in game terms: On Anakin's turn, he uses Force Push, and Obi-Wan rolls Force Defense to resist but fails his saving throw and is flung back a few meters. On Obi-Wan's turn, he returns the favor (he's still well within range to do so), with Anakin also using Force Defense and failing his save, so he's flung back the opposite direction. In describing the action, though, the GM could very well create the visual image of a stand-off, each trying to push the other, each giving their all to resist, before both finally succumb to the other's attack. (After all, there are no other combatants in the fight, so there's nothing else to interrupt the flow from one character's action to the other's.) Anakin's turn next round comes up first, so he jumps across the room (move action) and attacks Obi-Wan (attack action), and the battle continues in a more familiar fashion.
The case where Yoda and Palpatine are facing off in the Senate is almost the same, except that the Emperor started his action by using Force Lightning as a free action via the Force Mastery feat. Then Yoda used Block to gain the benefits of Deflect (defense) and Deflect (attack) to bounce it back to him, and the Emperor used Block to bounce it back to Yoda, and so on, until one or the other is unable to use Deflect (attack) to redirect it. They either run out of attacks they're allowed to redirect for that round, or an attack roll is too low to qualify for Deflect (attack). Once that's resolved, the Emperor does a Force Push, following a similar chain of events as described above for the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel. Again, this is where the GM is allowed a little dramatic license: He describes all of these actions -- the Force Lightning, the various redirected attacks, and finally the two Force Pushes -- as occurring more-or-less simultaneously, ending up with the two combatants flung apart.
Z tego co kojarzę, niezbyt. Grałem zarówno na normalnej, jak i revised i nie sprawiało mi żadnych problemów przerzucanie się z jednej, na drugą.Jak wielkie są różnice pomiędzy edycją "normalną" a "revised"?
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