Jestem zdania, że wszystko zależy od nastawienia - użyjesz Lightninga ze złym zamiarem, dostajesz DSP. Analogicznie użyjesz Push/Strike z zamiarem zrobienia celowi kuku, złe nastawienie, dostajesz DSP.
A może wrócić do zasady z poprzedniej edycji? Bo jak dla mnie zapis o DSP jest bzdurny.
Floater pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin-->Force Lightning, Force Grip czy Drain mog± byæ u¿yte "z dobrym nastaiweniem" ale daj± DSP
Malaggar pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin-->użycie mocy przeciwko living target daje DSP. Osobiście uważam, że użycie tej mocy w celu powalenia przeciwnika jest dosyć humanitarne
Floater pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nie wiadomo tak naprawdę, czy C3PO jest tylko maszyną, czy też maszyną ożywioną, posiadającą ducha.
JC pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin-->(...) since the Force doesn't make a distinction between organic sentient beings and inorganic sentient beings: torturing a droid is still torturing a sentient being. And even those who aren't Force-sensitive can get Dark Side Points. If a character becomes Force-sensitive later (by picking up the feat), the Force doesn't conveniently forget how evil the character was before.
Christopher pisze:<!--QuoteEBegin--> Hmm, poza tym genera³ Grevious (i znów mog³em waln±æ siê w pisowni) na takiego ca³kiem zrobotyzowanego nie wygl±da³ (oczy mia³ takie biologiczne dosyæ, serducho tak¿e), a oberwa³ od Kenobiego. Co prawda wtedy Obi niekoniecznie móg³ wiedzieæ o biologicznym aspekcie genera³a...
Q: Okay, given what you've said, why do Force Strike and Force Grip still incur an automatic Dark Side Point when used against a living target? They're not "unnatural," and even Yoda seems to use Force Strike against Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith. Given that he is probably the best model for proper Jedi behavior, why would he be inclined to gain Dark Side Points so casually?
A: You're right: He does appear to use the Force Push application of Force Strike against Palpatine, at least when he knocks him across a desk on the other side of the room. Given this and the fact that Move Object is not subject to this "automatic Dark Side Point" provision, I believe that this is best implemented as official errata (which, of course, you could always ignore for your own game):
Errata
Force Strike and Force Grip do not incur automatic Dark Side Points, even when used against living targets. Instead, they fall under the provision that using the Force to cause harm is a "common transgression" (page 181 of the revised Star Wars Roleplaying Game rulebook) such that the GM should "seriously consider" giving the character a Dark Side Point. Force Grip should still be considered a dark side skill for all other purposes (for example, meeting prestige class prerequisites or for bonuses gained by tainted or dark characters) because it is extremely aggressive and thus very easily channels negative emotions.
This doesn't mean that it's now acceptable to use Force Strike and Force Grip indiscriminately. Using the Force to cause harm is something that a Jedi shouldn't even consider unless that choice would actually cause the least possible harm. For example, Luke apparently used Force Grip on the Gamorrean guards in Jabba's palace, but pulling out his lightsaber and attacking arguably would have been much worse because it would have killed the guards and almost certainly started a huge fight, ultimately leading to considerably more death and destruction. Quietly incapacitating the guards to get by them was probably less harmful than the alternative. Even then, Luke's GM would have been entitled to give him a Dark Side Point for this -- after all, Luke could have used Affect Mind on them, as he did on Bib Fortuna. Exactly how strict you want to be with common transgressions is up to the individual GM.