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Techniki walki mieczem ¶wietlnym

: wt lis 18, 2003 9:29 pm
autor: Stogi
Witam wszystkich forumowiczów. <br /> <br />Jest to moja pierwsza notka na tym forum, jak dot±d tylko przegl±da³em wasze wypowiedzi. Jednak kiedy przegl±da³em Atuty z SW D20 t³umaczenia Darklightera, natkn±³em sie na atut Mistrzostwo w formie I walki mieczem ¶wietlnym. Czy móg³by mi kto¶ przybli¿yæ ten atut ( sk±d jest, co umo¿liwia ). Mam nadzieje ¿e jest to pewna alternatywa do walk pomiêdzy Jedi. Z góry dziêki :mrgreen: .

: śr lis 19, 2003 11:07 am
autor: Skie__
Techniki/Style walki mieczami opisane s± w (moim zdaniem ¶wietnym) dodatku 'Hero Guide'. S± to force feats, dostêpne dla Jedi na minimum 7 poziomie. Maj± te¿ inne wymagania. W ksi±¿ce opisanych jest 8 form, dwie inne (przydatne dla walcz±cych 2 mieczami) mo¿na znale¼æ w web enhancement na stronie wizards'ów. <br /> <br />Style daj± ró¿ne mo¿liwo¶ci - np. zwiêkszaj± defense w walce na miecze, podnosz± szanse odbicia pocisku itp. W danej rundzie mo¿na u¿ywaæ jednego stylu (nie mo¿na ich ze sob± ³±czyæ) <br /> <br />A w³a¶nie - to pytanie dla znaj±cych system - my¶licie, ¿e Jedi Weapon Master w swoich umiejêtno¶ciach specjalnych móg³by mieæ co¶ takiego jak 'improvisation' Martial Arts Mastera?

: śr lis 19, 2003 9:30 pm
autor: Stogi
Dziêki Skie. Domyslam siê ¿e Hero's Guide mo¿na tylko na Amazonie kupiæ :? . Jeszcze raz dziêki :) .

: sob lis 22, 2003 9:29 pm
autor: Stogi
Darklighterze czy móg³by¶ mi opisaæ poszczególne formy??? Oczywi¶cie je¶li nie sprawi ci to problemu. Z góry dziêkuje. <br /> <br />Do notki poni¿ej: <br /> <br />Dziêki Darklighter. May the Force be with You.

: ndz lis 23, 2003 10:45 am
autor: Darklighter
Stogi pisze:
Darklighterze czy mógłbyś mi opisać poszczególne formy??? Oczywiście jeśli nie sprawi ci to problemu. Z góry dziękuje.

Przedstawię ogólny zarys od strony mechaniki:

Forma II skupia się na finezji i szybkości ruchów. Styl ten został stworzony do walki z przeciwnikami uzbrojonymi w miecze świetlne. Daje bonus do obrony.

Forma III została opracowana przeciw wrogom uzbrojonym w broń dystansową. Daje bonus do obrony podczas blokowania pocisków mieczem.

Forma IV, najbardziej widowiskowa za wszystkich stylów. Błyskawiczne ciosy + akrobatyczne ruchy. W tej technice stosujemy atrubut zręczności do zadawania obrażeń zamiast siły.

Forma V skupia się na kierowaniu siły przeciwnika przeciw niemu samemu. Jedi ma bonusy do ataku podczas odbijania pocisków i kierowania ich na swoich wrogów.

Forma VI najmniej agrsywna forma walki. Poczas jej stosowania Jedi używa często umiejętności nie związanych z walką (diplomacy, sense motive, intimidate) by zmusić przeciwnika do poddania się. Czas na użycie tych umiejętności jest skrócony.

Forma VII jedna z najtrudniejszych form, pełna agresywnych, nieprzewidywalnych ruchów przez co może dezorientować przeciwników, zmniejszając ich zdolność do obrony. Zwiększony jest zasięg potwierdzenia trafienia krytycznego mieczem świetlnym.

Bardziej szczegółowy opis form walki znajdziesz tutaj.
A tutaj jest opis dodatkowych ciosów stosowanych przez Jedi (nie wszystkie są rozpisane na d20 [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] .)
Opisy pochodzą ze Star Wars Insidera(więc są oficjalne :wink: ).

EDIT:

Miszczu pisze:
Czy jest możliwośc posiadania więcej niż jednego mistrzostwa w sylu walki ??

Tak. Mistrzostwo można mieć w wielu stylach.

: pn maja 30, 2005 7:42 pm
autor: Black Dagger
Osobi¶cie stworzy³em tak± rozpiskê stylów:

I: -
II: +2 trafienie, -2 obra¿enia, podwojony zasiêg trafienia krytycznego
III: -2 trafienie, +2 obrona, zwiêkszona szansa na odbicie ataku z blastera
IV: Dodatkowy atak, -2 trafienia
V: +2 obra¿enia, -2 trafienie
VI: -2 trafienie, +2 obrona, mo¿liwo¶æ u¿ywania umiejêtno¶ci takich jak diplomacy
VII: +2 trafienie, -2 obrona

: pn maja 30, 2005 7:57 pm
autor: punisher__
Black Dagger nie znam siê na Star Wars d20, ale ja proponowa³bym by¶ zrobi³ 3 style takie jak by³y w grze z Kylem Katarnem, czyli lekki, ¶redni i ciê¿ki.
Proponuje:

lekki: +2 do trafienia, -2 do obra¿eñ
¶redni: -
Ciê¿ki: -2 do trafienia, +2 do obra¿eñ

A mo¿e lepiej by³oby daæ wiêksze plusy i mo¿liwo¶ci tym stylom? Poczytaj mo¿e trochê o stylach walki w internecie to mo¿e natkniesz siê na co¶ sensownego.

: pn maja 30, 2005 8:04 pm
autor: Coen__
Hmmm..a moze by zrobic osobno techniki i style walki? I na tej zasadzie
Technika lekka zwiksza³a by ilo¶c ataków ale zmneijsza³a obrazenia za¶ ciê¿ka zwiksza obra¿enia ale zmniejsza ilosc ataków.
Co o tym my¶licie?

: pn maja 30, 2005 9:05 pm
autor: Darklighter
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Coen pisze:
<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hmmm..a moze by zrobic osobno techniki i style walki? I na tej zasadzie
Technika lekka zwikszała by ilośc ataków ale zmneijszała obrazenia zaś ciężka zwiksza obrażenia ale zmniejsza ilosc ataków.
Co o tym myślicie?

Ehm. Czy "mechanicznie" nie uzyskuje tego dzięki kombinacji umiejętności, atutów oraz manewrów jakie mogę wykonać podczas walki? :wink:

: pn maja 30, 2005 9:08 pm
autor: Coen__
Nie mam pojêcia, nie znam siê na mechanice:) Pojawi³ siê jednak pomys³ aby dodaæ technikê lekka i ciê¿ka z serii JK wiec do³o¿y³em swoje dwa grosze;)

: śr cze 01, 2005 3:35 pm
autor: punisher__
Feng Chi
:x This style of fighting focuses primarily on anticipation and wearing the enemy down through tireless, excpetional defensive postures. A Jedi engaged in this form of fighting often finds himself in a near state of meditation, letting the Force guide his or her responses. He or she never has to switch focus to the offensive, letting pure anticipation guide the way to victory.
Game terms: +1D+2 to all parry rolls. Each round that the fighting continues, the parry roll goes up another +2. *No* attack rolls are allowed. An attack roll reduces the defensive back to normal for two full combat turns.

Wataang
Born from the mind of a group of minimalist Jedi, this fighting style keeps the Jedi as close to center as possible. At no time will a Jedi move the handle of his or her lightsaber further than 15 centimeters from his or her upper torso. The theory is that with little wasted movement, a Jedi can fight for hours. Additionally, with no extraneous motions, the saber is always in position for a parry. It is said that this style is exceptionally effective against younger opponents. The most skilled adversaries, however, can easily defeat such a swordsman.
Game terms: For every 1D in control that the opponent is lower than the character, the character gains +4 to all lightsaber rolls, offensive and defensive. Conversely, for every 2D in control the opponent is higher in Control, the character loses 6 pips in all rolls.

Bataang
The exact opposite of Wataang, Bataang holds that only a flurry of controlled movements away from the body can keep an opponent's lightsaber out of range. Only truly skilled Jedi can master this technique. The wild, almost uncontrolled nature of this style makes mental and physical harmony paramount.
Game terms: Unusable until 9 months study and 10 Character Points have been devoted to learning the style. It lends +1D to all lightsaber rolls, +2D if Control is higher than 8D. The character rolls a dice before every time using this style until he or she has used it five times. If the dice rolls a "2," the Jedi automatically loses that round. Once he or she has made it past the first five times, the skill is fully acquired.

High-Bataang
High-Bataang is a style that leads to highly perilous territory: the Dark Side. While not all users of High-Batanng find themselves drifting towards the mist of darkness, the style is the most inherently aggressive of all. While the initial posture resembles something of a peaceful, general lightsaber stance, an observer will note that the combatant will raise his or her lightsaber above his head in anticipation for the fight. Both the metaphorical and realistic implications of this posture make it difficult to resist angry, uncontrolled bursts of energy. And, indeed, defensive posture is not part of this style. Many Jedi have lost limbs in this style, though it is fair to say that many have lost limbs at the hand of a Jedi fighting in this style. Dark Jedi, without the patience or clarity of mind to become a Croste-fighting Jedi (see below), often adopt this style.
Game terms: Like Bataang, this is unusable until 9 months study and 10 Character Points have been devoted to learning the style. It lends +1D+2 to all lightsaber rolls, +2D+2 if Control is higher than 8D. The character rolls a dice before every time using this style until he or she has used it five times. If the dice rolls a "2," the Jedi automatically loses that round. Once he or she has made it past the first five times, the skill is fully acquired. Any character with more than 4 DSPs gains a +3D offensive advantage, regardless of Control skill.

High-Wataang
Used by many great Jedi masters, this style has many variants of its own, though none of them are officially classified as such. High-Wataang is, in terms of posturing, very similar to Wataang. The sabre is held out in front of the body -- farther out than the 15 centimeters in traditional Wataang -- in position for parrying, not attack. However, once combat has begun, the focus is not on the parrying, it is evenly matched between parrying and returning strikes. Depending on the temperment of a Jedi, this balance is often adjusted one way or the other. Particularly useful for deflecting blaster bolts and Force lightning, the slightly defensive posture also, ironically, places the combatant in the perfect position for many attack maneuvers. This is very representative of many Jedi in that the style is controlled but deadly and it is without aggression by design.
Game terms: There is a +2 bonus to all offensive and defensive rolls. This can be adjusted based on the temperment of the Jedi.

Croste
Easily the most aggressive-looking style of fighting, Croste sacrifices some defensive posture for the ability to administer strong, and often confusing, blows to opponentsl. Those well-trained in Croste learn to use extreme measures -- flips, jumps, rolls, and ducks -- to enhance their weakened defenses. This combination of fighting stance mixed with quick dodging is perhaps the only reason that it cannot be considered more aggressive than High-Bataang, but it's also the reason the style is harder to learn. Great Jedi swordsmen often learn this style, even if they never use it in combat.
Game terms: -2D+2 to parry. Half the characters dodge dice may be used to supplement the parry, however, with no multiple-action penalty. +3D to offensive skills. This skill cannot be learned by anyone in the Jedi order other than a Master. It cannot be learned by Dark Jedi in its truest form due to the extreme patience and clarity of thought needed to gain the true benefits of the style.

All The most superb of Jedi Knights learn all of the above styles and can, without difficulty, switch between them in a heartbeat. In a sense they have no style but have every style simultaneously. The Force flows through them with such ease and grace that every movement looks like a miniature art form, albeit in high speed. But each move is so practiced that things are that much simpler.
Game terms: Impossible to have until all the other styles are mastered which takes more than 2 years for an average Jedi. Even after all the styles are mastered, it takes many years of practice to be able to effortlessly switch between them. Generally, top Jedi do it in 10-15 years at the expense of dozens of character points. The bonus is significant: +3D to all parry rolls and +4D to all attack rolls. A Force Point doubles those numbers as well as the character's base statistic.

Krell
Krell is a word from an ancient, lost language that means, "nothing." Krell is the name given by scholars to the standard techniques taught to Jedi. Most Jedi don't even know a name exists for it. The standard teaching is to simply let the Force guide your actions. Rather than practicing a style, adapt to each situation as it comes. Proponents of styles will argue that the Force will enhance a practiced motion better than a new one.
Game terms: No dice changes.


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: czw lis 01, 2007 4:57 pm
autor: Rauko

: czw lis 01, 2007 6:30 pm
autor: SethBahl
Nie sądzę by wklejanie wszystkim znanych linków wnosiło coś do tematu. Następne jednolinijkowce z linkami do Wookie, będą obcinane.

: pt lis 09, 2007 12:22 pm
autor: NLoriel
SethBahl pisze:
Nie sądzę by wklejanie wszystkim znanych linków wnosiło coś do tematu. Następne jednolinijkowce z linkami do Wookie, będą obcinane.

A z linkami do Ossusa? ;)
OK, a tak na poważnie, to Misiek bardzo dobrze opracował kwestię walki lightsaberem, na podstawie rozmaitych źródeł w rodzaju "Fightsaber" itp. I to leży na Ossusie.

: pt lis 09, 2007 3:47 pm
autor: SethBahl
N'L, no bądźmy poważni :). Przecież z kilometra widać, że koleś trzaska sobie posty - wkleił tylko link z najpopularniejszej encyklopedii SW. Co to wnosi? A link do Ossusa możesz dołączyć choćby dla wygody (i celów promocyjnych :P)